Diego Ordonez Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 9 minutes ago, Javier Palma-Espinosa said: UP The lab that I was working was not prepared for this situation. The university has programs to help students with mental problems, but PIs usually do not put attention to this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Naizaque Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Diego Ordonez said: There was a moment that my lab problems move to my home problems. I started to have problems with my wife. I had poor communitcation with her. I started to talk with a psychiatrist, and he started a pharmacological treatment Oh, that had to be tough! Do you think that a PhD programm has always such amount of work that it interpheres with a personal life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Ordonez Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ricardo De Sousa said: Do you think that it was anxiety? It seems to me that you were depressed for not being happy with what you were doing than having an anxiety issue This was the diagnose of my therapist (psychiatrist) Ricardo Augusto Leoni de Sousa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Palma-Espinosa Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, Diego Ordonez said: The lab that I was working was not prepared for this situation. The university has programs to help students with mental problems, but PIs usually do not put attention to this What did you learn from this? How can we talk with our PIs to put the attention into this issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejandro Tapia De Jesus Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Hi Dr Ordonez, I´m from Mexico, I'm already in a Doctoral Program, my research is on sexual behavior, neurogenesis and psychostimulants. My question is: how can we identify and deal with burn out symtoms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Ordonez Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, Julian Naizaque said: Oh, that had to be tough! Do you think that a PhD programm has always such amount of work that it interpheres with a personal life? a PhD program requires a lot of work. However, this varies from lab to lab. Other thing is that it is important to work in lab where you can create social bond with your colleagues, that give you support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Augusto Leoni de Sousa Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Diego Ordonez said: This was the diagnose of my therapist (psychiatrist) Did you go to any other psychiatrist? Or did you accept and stayed with the first analysis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephanie Vose Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 This live chat is scheduled to end at 1pm ET. Feel free to continue the conversation if you're available! Ricardo Augusto Leoni de Sousa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Ordonez Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Javier Palma-Espinosa said: What did you learn from this? How can we talk with our PIs to put the attention into this issues? for a PhD program or any work.....we have to practice awareness. If we live in an automatic pilot every day we do not now what is happening. So, meditation is important to me. Once your are aware of the problem you can start a conversation with your PI and explain that your problem also affects the performance of the lab Isis Nem De Oliveira Souza 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Zegers Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Diego Ordonez said: a PhD program requires a lot of work. However, this varies from lab to lab. Other thing is that it is important to work in lab where you can create social bond with your colleagues, that give you support i thinks that this is the main point of working in a lab, making strong bonds with your colleagues that let you tolarate the frustration when the things dont went well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Ordonez Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 When ever you want you can send a email (ordatezp@ualberta.ca) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Palma-Espinosa Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, Juan Zegers said: i thinks that this is the main point of working in a lab, making strong bonds with your colleagues that let you tolarate the frustration when the things dont went well we tend to this in our lab. We lunch together almost every day. We work in a computational neuroscience lab, so each of us is with his/her headphones working alone. However, during lunch, is our time together and we discuss and talk about our issues. That has helped us a lot Juan Zegers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Augusto Leoni de Sousa Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Diego Ordonez said: When ever you want you can send a email (ordatezp@ualberta.ca) thanks for your time and for the live chat! Have a nice week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juan Zegers Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Diego Ordonez said: When ever you want you can send a email (ordatezp@ualberta.ca) Thanks for your time!!!! it was a great discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Ordonez Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Alejandro Tapia De Jesus said: Hi Dr Ordonez, I´m from Mexico, I'm already in a Doctoral Program, my research is on sexual behavior, neurogenesis and psychostimulants. My question is: how can we identify and deal with burn out symtoms? For me, meditation is crucial. Also, we should to talk with PI, family, and friends. Alejandro Tapia De Jesus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Ordonez Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Thanks everybody for your attention. I hope, it was helpful Stephanie Vose and Rodrigo Paz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sofia Gallino Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 thanks for your time!!!! nice to met you!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raquel Maria Campos Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Hi guys, I couldn't participate yesterday but I just read everything. Thanks for sharing your experience with us Diego. Isis Nem De Oliveira Souza 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isis Nem De Oliveira Souza Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 12/16/2019 at 2:06 PM, Diego Ordonez said: for a PhD program or any work.....we have to practice awareness. If we live in an automatic pilot every day we do not now what is happening. So, meditation is important to me. Once your are aware of the problem you can start a conversation with your PI and explain that your problem also affects the performance of the lab Funnily enough, I could not participate on the live chat because I had an appointment with my psychologist! The word "autopilot" definitely resonates with me since 2019 was such an overwhelming year, specially in Brazil. Our political and economical situation has been difficult and scientific funding has suffered major cuts. That diminished our research possibilities in the lab as well as impacted our career prospects, which by itself causes a lot of anxiety in students. I think autopilot has been a coping mechanism for many of us. Thank you for sharing your experience with us and I hope 2020 bring us some light! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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